*snort*
can they go all "Are you being served?" on the King's ass and be unanimous in themselves?
Dave, you just made my day.
I would say that the council needing to be "unanimous in this" (snicker), that would be up to the characters. *Traditionally*, no two Kings in their right minds would fill their council in such a way that there would be more Deistical than not who would either have to abstain from voting, or who could sway a Mandate or vote to remove a King. To me as Storyguide, it would be incredibly difficult to step in and say "Oh, Arc, you can't have Shay as your Bishop because Shamus has chosen Sarina as his Regent and that would unbalance the Council". In fact, I wouldn't do that. I'd let the character try to sort it out themselves. Hopefully, in that situation, *somebody's* Knight would step forward (or Regent) and say "BOLLOCKS!" or something to that effect.
Also, I can't imagine a King allowing a Deistical Knight if it would unbalance the ...erm... balance... of power. HOWEVER, on to the meat of the issue.
Kingdom Come rulebook, Codex section wrote:A Deistical may become a Queen/Regent, Bishop, Rook or, with the mutual agreement of the Kings, even a Knight. They thus gain the distinction of being a Grey member of a particular court. For example, a Deistical Fallen who is chosen to be the White Rook would be known as a Grey Rook for the White Court.
However, there is one area where the Deistical continue to have no sway, and that is the removal of a King. Grey Knights do not have the right to challenge for a King position, and Queens/Regents or Bishops have no vote on a council (although they are free to voice and argue their opinions). For this reason it is unwise for a King to choose casually the Deistical to fill the roles of the Court.
Grey Knights have special conditions in that they do not have Congregations outside of the Brood and are not expected to command their Deistical brethren into battle. They become lone warriors who may join up with other Choirs or Murders at the behest of a Queen/Regent.
Is what the Codex section has to say about the Deistical being Knights. While I see your point, Dave, I think I would rule that a Deistical Knight could challenge a King, but could not replace him. However, the reason this book is not available yet for sale is because things like this could be taken either way. And again, this is something that I would feel comfortable with characters settling IC - if someone was, say, a scholar of the Codex, one might use one's Cinematic Points to remember that in an obscure tract printed sometime in the 60s, there was evidence that the Civitas of San Francisco had a Grey Knight who was forced to challenge the Black King as the Black King had "done something" to the rest of the court, both black and white. That Grey Knight, having no choice BUT to challenge the King, and, having been successful, may have named her lover as Black King, only to watch her lose her life a month later when the entire Infernal Conviction removed her head at a tea party.
However, the vast, VAST majority of Fallen will never have ever heard of a Grey Knight being allowed to challenge a King.
Does that make sense?
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